History: Fiction or Science? (Chronology, No. 1)

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Recorded history is a finely-woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the sixteenth century. There is not a single piece of evidence that can be reliably and independently traced back earlier than the eleventh century. This book details events that are substantiated by hard facts and logic, and validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources.

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Calculations are only as good as your numbers.......2007-08-03

Yes, we can all agree that mainstream history is nearly 100% BS due to politics, economics, ego, problems with dating techniques, and various conspiracies. Agreed. But, I've been researching the distinct possibility that human history (in terms of civilizations) are much more ancient than we've been told, so coming across this book was very interesting to me. I wondered how Fomenko could be wrong (if at all) because he is very persuasive in his presentations. Then it dawned on me. If at previous times in prehistory, due to the various catastrophies that are well documented (comets, asteroids, planetary disruptions, plasma discharge, pole reversals, etc) the Earth was in a different position in relation to the sun, different tilt on its axis, different orbit, different rotation (in terms of velocity and DIRECTION), and the continents were in different positions, then would this not cause the ancients to see the sky (constellations) differently? In other words, is Fomenko making erronious assumptions about the physics of the Earth in pre-history, which then corrupt his data with regards to dating the relevant astrology? The last event to seriously disrupt our planet occured roughly 3500 years ago, according to other good researchers, so is it possible Fomenko has been confused by this? The vastly different physics of our planet in the not so distant past may explain this confusion, which is not to say the "mainstream" version of history is correct; on the contrary. I am not an expert in these fields, but wanted to see if this idea could spark discussion.

Pants on fire?.......2007-07-19

Will people ever read before spamming? Yes, Jesuits could not rewrite world history alone, they had help. Anyway, Dr Prof Acad A.Fomenko does not point to jesuits as the driving force of world wide history manipulation in published volumes 1,2,3;, actually he barely mentions the poor devils. Check it with 'Search inside' feature, please. China is rarely mentioned either, in fact, Dr Fomenko is completely eurocentric. Right, his theory contradicts all mainstream schools of history, because in their actual state they are all built on blatantly erroneus chronology. You don't need a mysterious cabal (conspiracy) to falsify history, the falsification is its modus operandi. It is inherent to history(ians) to falsify (distort) events, as it is inherent to humans to boast as it is inherent to power (authority) to legimize itself by referrring to glorious past made to its own order. Dr Prof Fomenko and team have identified scores of instances of such manipulation in Russian, European, etc.. history, and delivered valid statistical proof thereof. His own 'reconstruction' is completely another story. Forget c14 as a valid method of dating. W.Libby has initially discovered a brilliant method of INDEPENDENT dating. Too bad, c14 method has become a joke after a forced marrige with dendrochronology with consensual chronological scale inbuilt. Radiocarbon method can't stand blind tests, but is so very productive as a rubberstamp.

Accepted History & Chronology Must Be Changed. .......2007-04-09

There is no doubt that history as most know it is a sham, & institution's version of History both University & Church is fradulent & inaccurate. Everything was established with an agenda, The real "Dark Ages" are now when we have access to incredible amounts of information past authorities & more important 'common folk' didn't have but our institutions & educators are slow to evolve because of what has ignorantly & arrogantly been taught for too long. This is on many subjects not just Chronology.

For anyone to question "Why would a Mathematician have anything credible to say of History?" The answer is from Dr. Fomenko's preface in the book: "It would be worthwhile to remind the reader that in the XVI-XVII century Chronology was considered to be a subdivision of Mathematics." These volumes could possibly be some of the most important works to date & should be read by everyone with an interest in History, especially professors & educators who have a duty to the public. I have read both books & must say that 'Chronology 1' has some very eye opening & revolutionary information. Even if these volumes are part true the implications are profound & opens the doors to further investigations & questions which must be done. I speak several different lanquages & must say the logic Dr. Fomenko uses with "inflection" of words & words being read from left to right in one region & right to left in another then written backwards, the removal of vowels & get down to basics of words, or different cities & locations having the same name etc. is correct. Vowel usage has always been optional & varied, actually complicating linquistics & study. The first thing one has to understand is that words never had a fixed spelling in history like we do now, the spelling of words was mutable & regional, as well as names & titles of people were vast, varied & changed, NOTHING WAS FIXED or understood linear. Matters of Life & Death as well as financial profiteering yesterday & today were & are made with ignorant, illogical & conspiratorial views of history & reality, it's time people get closer to the Truth & society collectively grow up.

Very Interesting.......2007-03-07

It is a good proposal and I believe it will mature into something even better in the future. I think it deserves to be read.

History as Science Fiction.......2007-01-10

Anatoly Fomenko has written a very intriguing book, full of pictures, charts, and computer 'proof' of his thesis: backwards of AD900 we don't really know what happened or when. Between AD900 and AD1600 there is more certainty, but there is still a lot of fuzzy ground, and things don't get reliable until we get past the 1600's where the printing press made it very difficult for the perpetrators of this timeline manipulation to change anything that had been committed to print. The Dark Ages did not happen. Books were burned for a reason. One organization has doubled the actual length of its existence by expanding the real chronology. Read why.

I had always wondered why Christ died about AD33 and yet men waited until the 11th century to form the Knights Templar, the Cathars, etc and go after the Holy Land by force. Why the 1000 year gap? Turns out there wasn't more than a 10-12 year gap and he proves it using astronomy. This also implies that the planet is not as old as we have been told, and current Christian and other creationist scientists are already championing that idea without being aware of Fomenko's book. The two groups, creationist scientists and the Russian mathematical analysts corroborate each other. Fascinating.

Of course, all this flies in the face of what we have been told traditionally is the 'proper' chronology of western civilization, and most readers will experience 'cognitive dissonance' in reading this book. It means that our history going backwards from AD1600 becomes progressively more incorrect and unreliable until it cannot be trusted at all... in the space of 700-800 years.

Naturally, the curious, open-minded reader will want to know WHO did this, WHY, and did any of the events we think of as really ancient ever happen?
Dr. Fomenko is a respected scientist/mathematician at Moscow State University who has already answered these questions to the satisfaction of his initially skeptical colleagues. Most of them are now believers, a few still refuse to believe (the usual diehards), and of course the western press has ignored Fomenko's work -- for obvious reasons when you read the book. The ones who perpetrated this chronology ruse have a lot to answer for. They are still with us. That's why this book is a well-kept secret.

I gave the book a 4-star rating because I was unable to check out some of his claims; those I checked were as he said. But if even 1/3 of his claims are true, this punches a big hole in what we think is our history, the meaning of western civilization, our educational process (for repeating the ruse as gospel), and the trustworthiness of the organization that perpetrated this ruse, well-intentioned or not.

This book relates to current research into a Young Earth paradigm, to John Keel's discoveries about our planet, and Fr Malachi Martin's insights (in his now out-of-print books). We are indeed sheep who are manipulated and kept ignorant -- for a reason. While knowing what these men have to say may be the "booby prize" (as in: 'what can you do with this knowledge?'), it will provide interesting reading. Didn't someone say: "...and the Truth will set you free."?? For you to judge if this book contains the truth.

A Conspiracy of Goodness: Contemporary Images of Christian Mission

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A Conspiracy of Goodness: Contemporary Images of Christian Mission
Donald E. Messer
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Energizing the Congregation: Images That Shape Your Church's Ministry

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Energizing the Congregation: Images That Shape Your Church's Ministry
Carl S. Dudley , and Sally A. Johnson
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Ministry in the Image of God: The Trinitarian Shape of Christian Service

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A hugely new idea for even old American Christians
A MUST READ

Ministry in the Image of God: The Trinitarian Shape of Christian Service
Stephen Seamands
Manufacturer: InterVarsity Press
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Merit winner in the 2006 Christianity Today Book Awards!"As the Father has sent me, so I send you."Those of us called to Christian ministry are commissioned and sent by Jesus, just as he himself was called and sent by the Father. Thus we naturally pattern our ministries after Christ's example. But distinctively Christian service involves the Spirit as well, just as Jesus himself accomplished his ministry in the power of the Spirit. Thus the whole Trinity--Father, Son and Holy Spirit--gives shape to truly authentic Christian ministry.Though as Christians we all affirm the doctrine of the Trinity, many of us might struggle to explain how understanding the Trinity could actually shape our ministry. Stephen Seamands demonstrates how a fully orbed theology of the Trinity transforms our perception and practice of vocational ministry. Theological concepts like relationality and perichoresis have direct relevance to pastoral life and work, especially in unfolding a trinitarian approach to relationships, service and mission. A thoroughly trinitarian outlook provides the fuel for our ministry "of Jesus Christ, to the Father, through the Holy Spirit, on behalf of the church and the world."Essential reading for pastors, parachurch workers, counselors, missionaries, youth ministers and all who are called to any vocation of Christian ministry.

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A hugely new idea for even old American Christians.......2007-03-09

The trinity is accepted by Christians as a truth but not truely understood, explored or made as a life application. Seamands explains the importance of what the trinity means to us and how to model our lives, ministries and our relationships after it. This is not just for those who work in ministry but is applicable to all Christians. A must read!

A MUST READ.......2006-03-13

There are certain books I have read which have become part of who I am. Their message has entered my very being and shaped and changed me in significant ways. This is one of those books. Steve Seamands has done a tremendous service to the Church in taking the fruit of the recent renaissance in Trinitarian theology in the academy and fleshing out its implications for the practice of Christian ministry. This is a book that inspires, comforts and challenges in equal measure. It is great mixture of deep and profound theological insight, contemporary illustrations and penetrating practical application.
It is clear that Trinitarian theology for Seamands is not an abstract truth which is to be debated but is rather a reality to be entered, experienced and lived in. Theology and spirituality are seamlessly bound together in this book as they always should be.
In short I can't recommend this book to highly, if you are Christian this is a book that you should read

The Kingdom-Focused Church: A Compelling Image of an Achievable Future for Your Church

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Outstanding book
Good Review but Little New

The Kingdom-Focused Church: A Compelling Image of an Achievable Future for Your Church
Gene Mims
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You will never find the full meaning of your church or the pathway to a healthy, successful church in methods, conferences, or overhead transparencies. You will only find the full understanding of your church's life and mission in the heart of God and His will for you. Success doesn't come from copying someone else's ideas or methods, but from knowing the biblical model of a church and understanding how to conform your church—regardless of size, location, resources, history, or any other variable—to that biblical pattern.

The Kingdom-Focused Church will give you everything you need to achieve your church's full potential—and relief from the smorgasbord approach that does more harm than good by distracting you from the unique focus, nature, and mission of the church God has saved for you alone.

"If you're not ready to believe this yet, I don't blame you," Mims admits. "I only hope you'll read on to learn why a Kingdom focus will work when everything else fails."

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Outstanding book.......2004-12-28

I personally loved the book. I had just recently preached a message about "The Kingdom of God" and decided to explore a little more in other writings about the topic. I did not have a problem with the fact that Mims spent much of the book exploring what the Kingdom of God means, like one of the other reviewers complained about. It is a highly neglected teaching in the Church today. Mims says in his book that Jesus is quoted in the gospels as using the words Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven around 90 times and yet He is only quoted as using the word Church twice. I appreciated his explanation of the neglected term. My understanding of what Mims believes is that the Kingdom of God means the will of God being done on earth, through our lives and through our Church. I really believe his ideas of a Kingdom Church are very biblical and very needed today. I totally agree with Mims thoughts that Churches today are trying to grow their Churches through means that are not biblical and not God-directed. He complains about the quantity of conferences about How to Build Your Churches that are nothing but someone else's success method that we try to adapt to our Church. I would recommend this book to every Pastor who cares about being a Biblical Church, and building a Church God's way instead of by man's methods. I also recommend it to every Church leader in the Church.

Im looking forward to reading his other book about the 5 Churches not in the book of Revelation.

Good Review but Little New.......2004-04-24

With The Kingdom Focused Church Dr. Gene Mims has written a book he hopes will help bring ministers back to an appropriate focus, which he identifies specifically as a kingdom focus. Mims states that while most ministers he knows are creative, well-informed and solid people, try as the might, they simply cannot find the right combinations of programs that will ensure their local churches are thriving, fulfilling the Great Commission and building the lives of believers in these churches.

The answer, Mims believes, is shifting the church's focus from programs that emphasize procedures and mechanics more than they do results. The kingdom focused church, Mims says, will take biblical principles and put them together for effective ministry (p. 117) thereby energizing congregations that have been crippled because they have been sidetracked by too many, and inappropriate, goals. The kingdom focused church will develop myopic vision concentrating primarily on the three biblical tasks of making disciples, maturing believers and multiplying ministries.

Mims concludes The Kingdom Focused Church by presenting the reader with five models or churches he believes have developed a kingdom focus. These models of kingdom focused churches are, Saddleback Community Church in Lake Forest, CA; Willow Creek in suburban Chicago, IL; Southeastern Christian Church in Louisville, KY; First Baptist Church in Daytona Beach, FL; and Fellowship Church in Irving TX. Though the specifics of each church are dramatically different, Mims says all five have developed and maintained a kingdom focus and that focus is what is responsible for their dramatic numerical growth and size.

One of the weaknesses of Mims book is recognized and stated by the author himself. "I hasten to say that . . . my comments are not based on scientific models." He then hastens to add a "but" to this admission: ". . . they are solid as qualitative models often are." (pp. 23-24). If the reader is looking for a book that has quantifiable, verifiable data he should look elsewhere as Mims simply does not seek to validate his claims with objective evidence.

Another weakness in the book is that it takes the author seventy pages to get into the meat of his premise. Since the book contains only 182 pages, this is a significant percentage of the book. The first seventy pages of the book are spent discussing what is meant by the title The Kingdom Focused Church. Mims devotes three chapters to the four words, "The," "Kingdom Focused," "Church," and what he means by each of those four words. If he had left nothing else out of the first seventy pages, he could have left out his discussion of the word "The" in the title and lost little or nothing regarding his premise.

The author himself identifies the third weakness of the book, also. "It is not likely that I have said much in this book that is new to you" (p. 179). This is an accurate statement. If the reader is seeking some new or unfamiliar information The Kingdom Focused Church will, most likely, not contain it.

A final weakness in the book is that all the models Mims holds forth as being kingdom-focused churches are mega-churches. The mega-church phenomenon makes up an incredibly small percentage of churches in the United States. The inference Mims makes by using these as his models is that (1) if your church becomes kingdom focused it can become a mega-church too, and, (2) if your church isn't a mega-church it must be that your church isn't kingdom focused. This is simplistic and does not take into account something as simple as changes in the environment that can have a dramatic impact on church growth and membership. For example, the city running a new parkway five miles away from your building as opposed to a half block away.
In spite of the weaknesses the book has several strengths. Though the first seventy pages could have been left out, or at least significantly reduced, without damaging the premise of the book, these pages are, nonetheless, motivational. The first chapter, In Search of the Perfect Church, is worth reading and rereading, especially during those inevitable down times when a minister feels despondent due to condition of his congregation and begins thinking it might be time to move on. This chapter would be beneficial reading for any member of any church, minister or layperson. Mims encourages the reader to truly come to grips with the harsh reality that there is no perfect church and that changing churches will not solve the problem of the imperfect church.

The section in the book that was most informative and helpful to this reviewer was chapters 11, 12, and 13. This seems to really be the nuts and bolts of the book. His discussion of open groups, closed groups, and to a lesser degree ministry teams gives the reader some good strategical insights for taking a person from being a new member and developing them into developing an involved member.

The final chapter reverts back to the style of the first seventy pages. While it contains no new information it is motivational nonetheless. It encourages the minister, among other things, to "be the leader you are" (not some other leader), and to "never fear methods."

While the book contains little new or innovative material it's not bad if the reader will approach The Kingdom Focused Church as a brief review of information the reader has come across in other places and is already familiar with

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Fun reading and memories!

Very Informative

San Francisco's Mission District

San Francisco's Mission District (Images of America)
Bernadette C. Hooper
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ASIN: 0738546577
Release Date: 2006-10-02

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On June 29, 1776, Fr. Francisco Palou dedicated the first site of Mission San Francisco de Asis on the shores of Dolores Lagoon. At the time, it was a just a patch in the village of Chutchuii, the home of the Ohlone people, and Palou could never have foreseen the vibrant city that would eventually spring up around the humble settlement. The final mission building, popularly known as Mission Dolores and San Francisco's oldest complete structure, was dedicated on August 2, 1791, at what became Sixteenth and Dolores Streets. After the gold rush, the district around the mission began its dramatic evolution to the diverse area we know today, a bustling mix of immigrants from other states, Europe, and South and Central America.

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childhood.......2007-09-25

Excellent. Had picture of house next door to us that we referred to as the mansion!

Fun reading and memories!.......2007-04-27

Well, I got this book from the library at SJSU...and couldn't put it down for days and days...just kept looking at the pictures, and reading the captions over and over. I grew up in the Mission and went to school at Immaculate Conception Academy..Hello Barbara Bottarini. I remember your name! Anyway...seeing pictures of the old St. Anthony's Church before it burned down...priceless, because I totally forgot how it looked like, outside and inside. As a little girl, we'd be outside on a Saturday afternoon going to shop at Mission, and seeing all the brides coming out of the church dressed in splendor was such a fun "girly" thing for me, my sister, our friend Elena, my mother and grandmother. Shopping at Willow's..wow..forgot all about it. Check it out. A must have for your library.

Very Informative.......2007-01-25

I enjoyed the book very much. The history was very informative. For those of us who lived or went to school in the area, the pictures brought back lots of good memories. The book made a wonderful gift at Christmas.So many friends and family members were able to relieve some great places and times as well.

San Francisco's Mission District.......2007-01-15

Since I grew up and went to school in the Mission district, it brought back many pleasant memories. I graduated from Immaculate Conception Academy in 1956. Since the school was featured in the book, I enjoyed the pictues of the school and the neighborhood where I spent my youth.

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Telling it like it is
A book to know God more and to enjoy true freedom
A Great Book of Fiction for All Christians
No Graven Image by Elizabeth Elliot

No Graven Image
Elisabeth Elliot
Manufacturer: Vine Books
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No Graven Image is the fictional story of a young American, Margaret Sparhawk, who faces many hardships as she befriends suspicious Indians and attempts to bring them the Christian message. Nothing in her sheltered upbringing prepares her for the shock of a terrible tragedy involving one of her favorite Indian families.

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Telling it like it is.......2007-05-29

I do not know when I have read a novel so quickly. I read it quickly in order to send it off with my daughter who was headed to Africa to work with a missionary team and I wanted them to be able to read this book.

Those of us in ministry think that everything is automatic if we are "faithful" (whatever that is). Mrs. Elliot helps us focus on the God we serve in ministry and not on the idol of ministry itself. This is must reading for every missionary, ministry person or any Christian who has bought the line that says: "If you are faithful God must bless your work".

Pick up and read to the betterment of your soul and your relationship with God.

A book to know God more and to enjoy true freedom.......2005-04-29

This tremendous book must be read by all sincere christians who are trying to live a life pleasing to Jesus christ. Every one of us have our own fanciful idea of God which sometimes contradicts the Bible. This book will free us from all christian myths and will lead us towards a richer christian life.
Ellisabeth elliot shares her experiance and things she learned in this novel.
If you are a chritian missionary, pastor, or any worker this book must be read by you.

A Great Book of Fiction for All Christians.......2003-11-07

The only thing wrong with this book is that it is out of print. In The best thing about it is that it shows how important good Christian fiction is. In her own plucky style, Elisabeth Elliot shows what it means to be a real missionary. One of my favorite parts is when the missionary (Margaret) helps a not-so-helpful but well-meaning American visiting Ecuador realize that giving gospel tracts to South American Indians who can't read at all (let alone read Spanish) is less than helpful. Don't miss reading this book. Buy it and share it with those you love (including your pastor). You won't be sorry!

No Graven Image by Elizabeth Elliot.......1999-12-10

This book is an awesome representation of missionary life. A young, unmarried, woman named Margarat is working as a Bible translator to the Quicha Indians in the mountains of Ecuador. Most of the action takes place in her mind, where she tells you about her previous ideas of missionary work. The end is astonishing and will leave you with a new view on how God works. This book makes you search your soul for what you believe and why. It draws you into the story line, as if you were actually in the mountains of Ecuador with her! I highly recommend it for anyone planning to go into missions or just with an interest in missions.

Picturing Christian Witness: New Testament Images of Disciples in Mission

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Picturing Christian Witness: New Testament Images of Disciples in Mission
Stanley H. Skreslet
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20th Century NASA History: MERCURY - NASA Documents, Images, and Mission Transcripts

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World Spaceflight News
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This definitive electronic book on CD-ROM presents a magnificent collection of documents and images from the historic Project Mercury space program. Over thirty documents provide an incredible 6000 pages of important reference and research material! Some of the internal NASA documents in the collection have been made available for the first time by World Spaceflight News. Among the documents: reproductions of the official air-to-ground communications transcripts, flight plans, mission results, NASA histories, Mercury capsule specifications, flight operations manual, astronaut familiarization manual, Mercury 7 astronaut biographies and background information, and drawings and technical diagrams. Complete onboard flight recorder audio from the mission of John Glenn is provided on Real Audio computer files. A special feature of this CD-ROM is our "IMAGE GALLERY" in Adobe Acrobat format, which reproduces nearly 700 Project Mercury photos in a computerized "photo album" suitable for quick full-screen browsing! In the Image Gallery, many of the photos are accompanied by the official NASA caption. This format was designed to mimic the look and "feel" of a real book; there is no need to laboriously import specific images into a slow-loading program for viewing and printing. As you flip through the images in the Gallery, you can magnify photographs for better viewing. For completeness, we've also included each of the original image files (in .gif and .jpg formats) which can be copied onto your computer and used as you would any graphics file. This CD-ROM is perfect for anyone interested in the spectacular history of American manned spaceflight and the Mercury program!

Please see the Table of Contents section for a full list of documents.

The documents are reproduced using Adobe Acrobat PDF software - allowing direct viewing on Windows 95/98, Windows 3.1, NT, and Apple Macintosh systems. Reader software is included on the CD.

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A book about church branding for people who can't bring themselves to use the word "branding"

Useful Book on Church Imagery and Communication

How to Change the Image of Your Church (Creative Leadership Series)
John David Webb
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A book about church branding for people who can't bring themselves to use the word "branding".......2006-04-05

I love this classic book and recommend you get it! It is a practical helpful book about church branding though the word "branding" is not used. This book teaches great concepts about church messaging and getting your message outside the walls of your church. All while presenting in a way ministers understand and can relate to. One problem with church marketing books of late it they over do it, in my opinion, in "baptizing" secular marketing concepts. Most ministry marketing books seem to come from marketers who have discovered ministry. This book comes more from a perspective of ministers who discovered marketing. I prefer the later because product marketing has very little do with ministry marketing. What we need are more ministry people who are willing to update their communication skills in the area of marketing. This book does that well!

Useful Book on Church Imagery and Communication.......2000-08-26

John David Webb presents an excellent overview of how images and communications processes play a major role in either enabling or disabling a congregation. That is to say, that symbols create symbol systems which create a communication story. The positive or negative nature of these symbol systems and these commication stories plays a defining role in a congregation's ability to thrive, regardless of external conditions. A very useful book for persons seeking to help their congregation become missionally effective.

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